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importantly this video is addressing common mistakes made by *self taught drummers* which a few comments are forgetting. It’s possible to learn techniques like you mentioned and be ok - but I’ve seen literally hundreds of cases of self taught drummers injuring themselves because of tension in their grip and this has never failed to solve it and solve many other technique problems for them.

@@DimitriFantini that could be happening with my left hand because after high school I started mimicking my right hand abandoning the traditional grip to learn match grip

Are you feeling pain or tension at all in your left fingers/hand/wrist/arm?

@@DimitriFantini left wrist for sure but it’s only when I play more than 1 hour

Then something is off but I would say it’s probably a subtle change you’d probably want to make, if it takes an hour for it to show up. There’s literally ZERO tension in your left when you play for ten minutes? If so, it could be that you are shifting your grip/technique while you play and focus on other things… another common one!

Thank you Philip!! Yes it’s the USA Solid Aluminum 14x5, I love it!!

Just don’t blame me if you get fired! 😂 😂 😂

So glad it’s helping!! go watch the next video and you’ll learn something… promise!

the clip goes by quick and doesn't show the position my legs end up at. I extend my legs quite a bit compared to most so the angle does not end at 90 degrees for me. I also teach a set of heel up techniques that use a quarter of the energy compared to most heel up drummers. Regardless of all that the message remains the same; find what is TRULY optimal, ergonomic, and natural for your body and make that your mantra. Which means yes, the set up would be different for traditional grip. Thanks for your questions!

Glad to hear you’ve made some good progress that’s great! What kind of ergonomic things are you dealing with?

@@DimitriFantini cymbals position mostly, my wrist movements hitting them are ok, is the movement of my hands/shoulders the problem

Ah i understand! You know what to do now!

You’re touching on why some people are mentioning “but I see X or Y famous drummer closing the gap” and it seems ok for them… because while yes it’s possible to be relaxed with that grip, it’s just VERY difficult and never explained for beginners and IMO better to not start that way at all. I have a super deep stick grip and fundamentals course free on my website for this very reason… this is what holds back the majority of new drummers and it’s almost impossible to find great comprehensive instruction that covers enough bases. So I went ahead and made it :)

@@DimitriFantini Right, I saw some comments exactly on that. I'll look into your course, much appreciated. What I observe is that students are not very good at assessing their posture and grip, especially children. I work a lot with video to show them what it looks like from the outside when they feel it a certain way. I also make them play on different surfaces like softer and harder pads to show them how the grip changes rebound etc.

The key is teaching what to look out for and how much attention to put on it!! I was taught this as a kid myself so I promise it’s possible!!

Makes me happy to hear this is all helping!!! Sounds like you are making great strides! ☺️

Yes! He used to watch Buddy Rich perform at Disneyland as a kid - I’ve seen the signed drumsticks from that! So cool

I LOVE that you mentioned this. Articulation and “touch” is such a critical component and it’s not talked about enough. Maybe I should make a video about it?

Absolutely right!! Cymbals are very colorful if you take time to experiment using brushes or mallets, ect, & hitting different areas of the cymbals! & drums especially can be manipulated awesomely! I love trying odd setups & sound searching lol. I build my own custom gapped snare drums & w/different size top & bottom snare shells like 12" top half & maybe 13"or 14" bottom shell for some crazy unique sounds & tunings!! It keeps things uniquely my own sound & its fun & gives me the kid in a music store feeling still @ 48yrs old!😂❤ So YES!! Drums & percussion are amazingly musical instruments w/endless possibilities!!!!

I love this!!

Welcome!

Tip, trick, system, etude, call it what you want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@DimitriFantini lol. I just hear this for every bad advert on RUclips trying to sell crap. Nice video though, I'm going to work on this.

Glad you dig it Joe, cheers!

Yep we know! It slipped past us sorry about that!

@@DimitriFantini it was a good test whether we are paying enough attention:))

@bobbyhilda5880 there you go I was testing you haha

You’re right that you can find some professionals playing that way. But for beginners it causes way more problems/injuries because it’s so easy for tension to creep in without them realizing.

It’s funny you mention this because my instructor was a master teacher who studied with some of the best… now years later students will study with me that have also studied with Morello like you and point out that he taught the same things. I didn’t know! I wish I had gotten to meet him… I’m just lucky these ideas were shared with me so I try to help other drummers :)

Hey whadya know!

Hey that’s great to hear! It’s possible but *extremely rare* that these mistakes don’t hold back drummers and when they come to me and we fix them then their playing takes off! Awesome to hear you’ve been playing professionally for so long… What kind of acts/artists have you played with?

Mostly popular music performance , E Costello, The Clash, Bryan Ferry etc... Lots really but I just play don't think too much about why 👍 rock on

@royphillips7435 whoa those are some huge artists, kudos! 👊

You're right. I'll add that if you want to play without carpal tunnel into your 40s, I highly highly recommend you keep that gap.

​@@DimitriFantinithat's not even remotely true. You can keep your hands/wrist/forearm every bit as loose with no gap.

Of course. I didn’t say it’s impossible. I’m referring to what happens for 99% of drummers when they aren’t taught to keep the gap and they subconsciously tighten up and don’t realize it. It’s the number 1 most common thing I see with students - especially for self taught drummers but also with students that were taught to close the gap. Sounds like you had a better teacher than most 👊

@@DimitriFantini The presence of the gap correlates, decently, with less tension, but by itself isn't necessarily proof of a technique issue. Longer fingers correlate with a larger gap, and you can, for example, play with a Tony William's style rear fulcrum, without the thumb and first finger doing much aside from guiding the stick, and still position your thumb so there isn't a gap. I'm not aware of anyone who regularly does, but you can if you want. Regarding El Estepario, maybe you're right... but I would be extremely hesitant to impugn his hand technique given his capabilities. His gapless presentation could also be part of a "jedi iq bell curve" sort of thing (or, more likely, he would have the same amount of control over his tension either way).

I think the key phrase you’ve used here is “but by itself” But it’s hardly ever “by itself” in self taught drum technique. While not always a technique problem on its own, it is *highly* correlated with hand pain, fatigue and long term injury such as carpal tunnel. I have an upcoming video I’ve filmed with a doctor of physical therapy that you might find insightful.

thanks dude!!!!

Thank you so much!!

@@DimitriFantini : You’re most welcome. This is something everyone needs to be aware of, and occasionally reminded of.

Yep you got the sizes right (standard depths) it’s a Gretsch Brooklyn kit and there is zero processing on these drum mixes. I wanted you to hear EXACTLY what they captured!

@@DimitriFantini thanks so much man. Great job tuning these drums

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Ah thanks! I will have to check out that show then!

Appreciate that Nate! 👊

thank you so much!!!

I don’t know I haven’t measured! But I slowed it down for this video. You can definitely get it much faster than this!

@@DimitriFantini hi Dimitri... Thx for your reply. Actually I was asking to set it as a goal for myself... Is it around 120bpm?

Just checked for you and it’s sixteenth note triplets at 150-160 bpm. But I recommend you keep them very slow for a long time, that’s how you get it fast!!!!

@@DimitriFantini oh man thx so much!!! OMG!! 150bpm, impossible for me... I'll keep trying though. Thx!

@alexfr811 it will be possible if you take this lesson to heart and get your technique correct at very slow tempos and stay there for longer than you think you should! You can do it!

Yes it’s been brought to our attention, this one slipped past us!

Yes this is excellent!!! Plus with five groupings you can always say "Taka Dimitri Taka Dimitri" and it works pretty well 😂

thank you for saying so!

Well the exercise IS the paradiddle diddle! But HOW you do it (and other exercises like it) is what I’m addressing in the video. Also, the workbook gives you a step by step guide for that specific example!

Thank you!

Gongs were all the rage!!!